[sleeper108]

koukis14, on 24 December 2009 - 07:51 PM, said:

sr>rb20. rb20's suck, weak tranny, and they start to fail at about 300 to 400 hp. if your gonna go rb at least put rb25 in, or if you wanna be a rb baller put a rb30 in. and unless you are a very good fabricator (which your not) the rb20 swap will cost more than your gonna make from your sr swap, would have to pay for engine and tranny mounts, drive shaft, possibly intake manifold if you choose to. so stick with your sr, get some bigger injectors, put a 2860 turbo on, get a tune and go drifting on a very responsive turbo and try to make smoke.

and as far as wheels go whats the offsets on them? if you choose to get the 2nd set at least spend the money for the real work's instead of some knock off mb's

How do you know he is not a good fabricator?

would rb25 be better? yeah. is it more expensive? tons. its also not too hard to get power out of a rb20. cost of RB20 swap is actually slightly less than SR, if you priiice it out correctly. It isnt hard to buy swap kit for 200-300, swap 900-1300, FMIC 350 (for a name brand) - 150 (ebay), my understanding is rb20 driveshaft works with s-chassis. do the wiring yourself (free) or source it out (250-350), rb20-s13 downpipe 130-200. so the CHEAPEST would be 1400, most expensive would be around 2500. and that is just to get it running. quite similar in price now to an SR. It's still more work, but if he is willing to put in the work, then no problem. If he wanted to do a complete tune up (gaskets, seals, belts, etc.. it can get expensive, but not much different from an SR.


Props for ditching an SR, and doing something else.

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sleeper108, on 24 December 2009 - 09:18 PM, said:

How do you know he is not a good fabricator?

would rb25 be better? yeah. is it more expensive? tons. its also not too hard to get power out of a rb20. cost of RB20 swap is actually slightly less than SR, if you priiice it out correctly. It isnt hard to buy swap kit for 200-300, swap 900-1300, FMIC 350 (for a name brand) - 150 (ebay), my understanding is rb20 driveshaft works with s-chassis. do the wiring yourself (free) or source it out (250-350), rb20-s13 downpipe 130-200. so the CHEAPEST would be 1400, most expensive would be around 2500. and that is just to get it running. quite similar in price now to an SR. It's still more work, but if he is willing to put in the work, then no problem. If he wanted to do a complete tune up (gaskets, seals, belts, etc.. it can get expensive, but not much different from an SR.


Props for ditching an SR, and doing SOMETHING WORSE.

There i fixed that for you.

Post up some pics to prove that he is a good fabricator?

Yes a rb25 is way better than rb20, there is a reason that they are 1300 for a rb20 swap. Also what is the point of going from a 2 liter 4 cylinder to a 2 liter 6 cylinder? If your doing this to be different or for the sound, you should realize how many people have done this swap, and that your not being different. If its for the sound, you should just put a ka back in your car and learn to drive.

Here maybe these threads will help you realize that rb20's are a waste:
RB20 vs SR20
RB20DET vs RB25DET
RB20DET vs SR20DET blacktop

[SecretAgent]

Hmmm, I think you should just go over the top and do a vq35? Readily available in 350z's, g35's, altima's? Maxima's? and then you have the 6 cylinders with most of the weight behind the cross member... just a thought

[Jordan249]

SecretAgent, on 25 December 2009 - 03:25 PM, said:

Hmmm, I think you should just go over the top and do a vq35? Readily available in 350z's, g35's, altima's? Maxima's? and then you have the 6 cylinders with most of the weight behind the cross member... just a thought

I agree 100%. I don't know if it needs much fab or not, but that would be really cool, and when a girl asks you about your car, just say a 350z engine, and she'll wet her pants

[sleeper108]

koukis14, on 25 December 2009 - 11:45 AM, said:

sleeper108, on 24 December 2009 - 09:18 PM, said:

How do you know he is not a good fabricator?

would rb25 be better? yeah. is it more expensive? tons. its also not too hard to get power out of a rb20. cost of RB20 swap is actually slightly less than SR, if you priiice it out correctly. It isnt hard to buy swap kit for 200-300, swap 900-1300, FMIC 350 (for a name brand) - 150 (ebay), my understanding is rb20 driveshaft works with s-chassis. do the wiring yourself (free) or source it out (250-350), rb20-s13 downpipe 130-200. so the CHEAPEST would be 1400, most expensive would be around 2500. and that is just to get it running. quite similar in price now to an SR. It's still more work, but if he is willing to put in the work, then no problem. If he wanted to do a complete tune up (gaskets, seals, belts, etc.. it can get expensive, but not much different from an SR.


Props for ditching an SR, and doing something different.

There i fixed that for you.

Post up some pics to prove that he is a good fabricator?

Yes a rb25 is way better than rb20, there is a reason that they are 1300 for a rb20 swap. Also what is the point of going from a 2 liter 4 cylinder to a 2 liter 6 cylinder? If your doing this to be different or for the sound, you should realize how many people have done this swap, and that your not being different. If its for the sound, you should just put a ka back in your car and learn to drive.

Here maybe these threads will help you realize that rb20's are a waste:
RB20 vs SR20
RB20DET vs RB25DET
RB20DET vs SR20DET blacktop

where's your evidence he isn't a good fabricator? Passing the buck is never a good way to argue.

I never said they were great, but I would rather do an RB20 over and SR. And I would rather do a Rb25 over all those. sound was never offered as a reason for the swap, so that point is invalid aswell. This isnt a thread asking whether or not RB or SR is better. Its saying "here's what im going to do" so instead of being a keyboard warrior, just be happy for the guy, and watch what happens. Some people just can't stand when others don't do thing their way, and I really don't get it.



Secretagent - The amount of fab work for a Vq into a S13 chassis is quite a bit. There is also an issue with the wiring, as the Vq35s out of the 350z and g35s all have a NATS systems, which someone (i think jim wolfe) has a bypass for, making the set up easier, but if you cant afford his solution (im unaware of cost) you need to get the entire wiring harness and the key from 1 car. This ofcourse poses the problem of wiring gremlins, especially if you cant get it all from one car. A complete Vq35 swap can be done for around 6k though, and at that price, you might as well go LS1, or some other V8 swap.

This post has been edited by sleeper108: 25 December 2009 - 11:55 AM

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sleeper108, on 25 December 2009 - 01:54 PM, said:

koukis14, on 25 December 2009 - 11:45 AM, said:

sleeper108, on 24 December 2009 - 09:18 PM, said:

How do you know he is not a good fabricator?

would rb25 be better? yeah. is it more expensive? tons. its also not too hard to get power out of a rb20. cost of RB20 swap is actually slightly less than SR, if you priiice it out correctly. It isnt hard to buy swap kit for 200-300, swap 900-1300, FMIC 350 (for a name brand) - 150 (ebay), my understanding is rb20 driveshaft works with s-chassis. do the wiring yourself (free) or source it out (250-350), rb20-s13 downpipe 130-200. so the CHEAPEST would be 1400, most expensive would be around 2500. and that is just to get it running. quite similar in price now to an SR. It's still more work, but if he is willing to put in the work, then no problem. If he wanted to do a complete tune up (gaskets, seals, belts, etc.. it can get expensive, but not much different from an SR.


Props for ditching an SR, and doing SOMETHING WORSE.

There i fixed that for you.

Post up some pics to prove that he is a good fabricator?

Yes a rb25 is way better than rb20, there is a reason that they are 1300 for a rb20 swap. Also what is the point of going from a 2 liter 4 cylinder to a 2 liter 6 cylinder? If your doing this to be different or for the sound, you should realize how many people have done this swap, and that your not being different. If its for the sound, you should just put a ka back in your car and learn to drive.

Here maybe these threads will help you realize that rb20's are a waste:
RB20 vs SR20
RB20DET vs RB25DET
RB20DET vs SR20DET blacktop

where's your evidence he isn't a good fabricator? Passing the buck is never a good way to argue.

I never said they were great, but I would rather do an RB20 over and SR. And I would rather do a Rb25 over all those. sound was never offered as a reason for the swap, so that point is invalid aswell. This isnt a thread asking whether or not RB or SR is better. Its saying "here's what im going to do" so instead of being a keyboard warrior, just be happy for the guy, and watch what happens. Some people just can't stand when others don't do thing their way, and I really don't get it.



Secretagent - The amount of fab work for a Vq into a S13 chassis is quite a bit. There is also an issue with the wiring, as the Vq35s out of the 350z and g35s all have a NATS systems, which someone (i think jim wolfe) has a bypass for, making the set up easier, but if you cant afford his solution (im unaware of cost) you need to get the entire wiring harness and the key from 1 car. This ofcourse poses the problem of wiring gremlins, especially if you cant get it all from one car. A complete Vq35 swap can be done for around 6k though, and at that price, you might as well go LS1, or some other V8 swap.

john conna, on 13 December 2009 - 04:18 PM, said:

ok so im thinking of selling the sr and doing a rb20det....

does anyone have any pointers or anything to try and stop me from selling the sr

Actually he did ask if he should go rb20det or stay sr, quoted above. I know him, thats my evidence for him not being a good fabricator, no offense upon him intended. Im not trying to tell him to do things my way, Im giving him some more information about the rb20 so that he knows just what he is getting into. The question about sound was not direct upon you, I was asking him what his reason for wanting to put the rb20 in his car was. He should just do a rb25 so he could be upgrading his motor instead of downgrading it.

You wanna explain why you would want to do a rb20 over an sr20 as well? must be something im missing about this motor.

This post has been edited by koukis14's: 25 December 2009 - 12:12 PM

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koukis14, on 25 December 2009 - 08:10 PM, said:

sleeper108, on 25 December 2009 - 01:54 PM, said:

koukis14, on 25 December 2009 - 11:45 AM, said:

sleeper108, on 24 December 2009 - 09:18 PM, said:

How do you know he is not a good fabricator?

would rb25 be better? yeah. is it more expensive? tons. its also not too hard to get power out of a rb20. cost of RB20 swap is actually slightly less than SR, if you priiice it out correctly. It isnt hard to buy swap kit for 200-300, swap 900-1300, FMIC 350 (for a name brand) - 150 (ebay), my understanding is rb20 driveshaft works with s-chassis. do the wiring yourself (free) or source it out (250-350), rb20-s13 downpipe 130-200. so the CHEAPEST would be 1400, most expensive would be around 2500. and that is just to get it running. quite similar in price now to an SR. It's still more work, but if he is willing to put in the work, then no problem. If he wanted to do a complete tune up (gaskets, seals, belts, etc.. it can get expensive, but not much different from an SR.


Props for ditching an SR, and doing SOMETHING WORSE.

There i fixed that for you.

Post up some pics to prove that he is a good fabricator?

Yes a rb25 is way better than rb20, there is a reason that they are 1300 for a rb20 swap. Also what is the point of going from a 2 liter 4 cylinder to a 2 liter 6 cylinder? If your doing this to be different or for the sound, you should realize how many people have done this swap, and that your not being different. If its for the sound, you should just put a ka back in your car and learn to drive.

Here maybe these threads will help you realize that rb20's are a waste:
RB20 vs SR20
RB20DET vs RB25DET
RB20DET vs SR20DET blacktop

where's your evidence he isn't a good fabricator? Passing the buck is never a good way to argue.

I never said they were great, but I would rather do an RB20 over and SR. And I would rather do a Rb25 over all those. sound was never offered as a reason for the swap, so that point is invalid aswell. This isnt a thread asking whether or not RB or SR is better. Its saying "here's what im going to do" so instead of being a keyboard warrior, just be happy for the guy, and watch what happens. Some people just can't stand when others don't do thing their way, and I really don't get it.



Secretagent - The amount of fab work for a Vq into a S13 chassis is quite a bit. There is also an issue with the wiring, as the Vq35s out of the 350z and g35s all have a NATS systems, which someone (i think jim wolfe) has a bypass for, making the set up easier, but if you cant afford his solution (im unaware of cost) you need to get the entire wiring harness and the key from 1 car. This ofcourse poses the problem of wiring gremlins, especially if you cant get it all from one car. A complete Vq35 swap can be done for around 6k though, and at that price, you might as well go LS1, or some other V8 swap.

john conna, on 13 December 2009 - 04:18 PM, said:

ok so im thinking of selling the sr and doing a rb20det....

does anyone have any pointers or anything to try and stop me from selling the sr

Actually he did ask if he should go rb20det or stay sr, quoted above. I know him, thats my evidence for him not being a good fabricator, no offense upon him intended. Im not trying to tell him to do things my way, Im giving him some more information about the rb20 so that he knows just what he is getting into. The question about sound was not direct upon you, I was asking him what his reason for wanting to put the rb20 in his car was. He should just do a rb25 so he could be upgrading his motor instead of downgrading it.

You wanna explain why you would want to do a rb20 over an sr20 as well? must be something im missing about this motor.

Whoa, hold on. Valid points on the RB20, but who are you?

This post has been edited by NISMOSILVIAS14: 25 December 2009 - 12:27 PM

[sleeper108]

Im not gonna lie, my reason for doing a RB before an SR is purely because of a personal pet peeve. no great logic behind it, other than everyone has an SR and I would rather do an RB20 well and get good numbers. Ive found a lot of people on skyline owner forums who are getting great numbrs on RB20s with similar upgrades you would do to a SR, but they are getting an extra 50-100 HP. Granted these are 5-6k RB20 swaps, Ofcourse I do plan on RB25 as a first choice, and I agree if doing RB you should definitely go RB25.

[SecretAgent]

I get the VQ35 would be alot, fine, vg30dett? haha, I said go over the top. Never said it would be easy. I was just throwing it out there, non would be original. If you want to be original. Put a chevy inline 6 in? I'm pretty sure it would be totally useless and a big huge waste of time. I'm not sure if a 302 has been put in a 240 either, that would be cool. Maybe a 1uz or something. There are to many engines to be complaining about original. Nothing RB or SR or CA will be original in the s chassis. They have all been done, and will be done again. God I have no point in anything I just typed. What a waste of my life.

[koukis14's]

sleeper108, on 25 December 2009 - 02:18 PM, said:

Im not gonna lie, my reason for doing a RB before an SR is purely because of a personal pet peeve. no great logic behind it, other than everyone has an SR and I would rather do an RB20 well and get good numbers. Ive found a lot of people on skyline owner forums who are getting great numbrs on RB20s with similar upgrades you would do to a SR, but they are getting an extra 50-100 HP. Granted these are 5-6k RB20 swaps, Ofcourse I do plan on RB25 as a first choice, and I agree if doing RB you should definitely go RB25.

I would not doubt that people have done that with rb20's. I dont know if they are 5-6k swaps tho, possibly have more money into the but o well. But do a rb25 swap in your car I will support you entirely and help as I can with advice, that was merely all I was trying to do for him, you can save a lot of time and money doing the research into these sort of things rather than trial and error. I hope that John reads everything and figures out what he wants to do with his car after he has all the knowledge about the different swaps. Oh and btw I had thought about acquiring a RB26dett to swap into my drift car.



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NISMOSILVIAS14, on 25 December 2009 - 02:17 PM, said:

Whoa, hold on. Valid points on the RB20, but who are you?

Thanks for agreeing with me on the points against the Rb20 Pete. wouldn't you like to know who I am???

[rabbit05]

I got a friend thats bringing a VQ swapped 240 to town soon. Just go 2JZ

[Jordan249]

rabbit05, on 26 December 2009 - 01:11 AM, said:

I got a friend thats bringing a VQ swapped 240 to town soon. Just go 2JZ

You are so biased with the 2jz thing man lol. Still would be pretty bad ass though Btw, I just noticed your new profile thing lol. Just don't go s15 and I'll be happy

This post has been edited by Jordan249: 25 December 2009 - 07:10 PM

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NISMOSILVIAS14, on 25 December 2009 - 02:17 PM, said:

Whoa, hold on. Valid points on the RB20, but who are you?

Thanks for agreeing with me on the points against the Rb20 Pete. wouldn't you like to know who I am???



Yes, I would actually.

NVM I know who it is.

This post has been edited by NISMOSILVIAS14: 26 December 2009 - 08:35 AM

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NISMOSILVIAS14, on 26 December 2009 - 10:24 AM, said:

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NISMOSILVIAS14, on 25 December 2009 - 02:17 PM, said:

Whoa, hold on. Valid points on the RB20, but who are you?

Thanks for agreeing with me on the points against the Rb20 Pete. wouldn't you like to know who I am???



Yes, I would actually.

NVM I know who it is.

well you could at least say who I am, or just send me a pm and tell me. lol

[SecretAgent]

rabbit05, on 26 December 2009 - 12:11 AM, said:

I got a friend thats bringing a VQ swapped 240 to town soon. Just go 2JZ

sweet, 2jz is pretty bangin. but its been done before, so original is out the door there.